1. For local face to face deals.
First and foremost, we highly recommend face to face transactions when possible. We recommend that you buy in person, and in cash. The CFP has received a lot of reports of people being defrauded when trying to buy firearms over the internet. The most common way is that the unsuspecting buyer sends the seller an EMT(email money transfer). Then the fraudulent seller does not ever mail out a firearm. Therefore the buyer is out of their money and has no way of finding the fraudulent seller. Buying in person, and in cash is the best way to avoid being defrauded.
The second reason we recommend buying in person and in cash is so that you will not be disappointed in the condition of your purchase when it arrives in the mail. When you buy in person, you can physically inspect a firearm before you even agree to a final price. When buying from only seeing a digital photograph, you cannot inspect and verify the condition of the bore, crowning, smoothness of the action, and general overall condition.
Many firearms owners have simply used their home as a meeting place to complete their private sales for many years with no issues. For those who are not comfortable with giving your home address as your meeting place when arranging with a buyer. You could suggest a more public meeting place. For example(s): Local shooting range, local gun shop parking lot, piece of Crown land.
If you are going to select a public meeting place. Please use common sense in selecting that meeting place. For example: In a busy suburban city. If you choose to meet in a mall parking lot to examine a firearm and complete a sale. There is a high probability that other members of the public will not be understanding of firearms and the culture that goes with it. Those other citizens may call the police creating an unnecessary inconvenience
2. For online deals.
This section is pertaining to deal where you are NOT doing a local face to face transaction, and having the item shipped to you.
- Read over the member profile information. Read their reviews from other site members, also see how long they have been a member for. (If they don't have any reviews, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are not trustworthy to deal with. They may be new or not do a lot of buy and sell. This is just one extra measure to help create an overall assessment of the seller.)
If they don't have many reviews, the number one way to avoid being defrauded is simply to have items shipped to you C.O.D.(cash on delivery) with Canada Post. We recommend that you don't send an E.M.T.(email money transfer) to a stranger(someone without a few reviews to show selling or trading history from other members on the site). Here is the link for info on C.O.D. https://www.canadapost.ca/web/
You can find Canada Post's policies on this shipping method here https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGpscanada-e.asp#1421368
If the seller will not ship this way, and has legitimate reasoning for not wanting to ship this way and insist on EMT, some suggestions for minimizing the risk of being defrauded can include the following;
- Look over their ad carefully. Watch for specific things that should raise warning signs. Such as; Firearms not properly classified in the listing(ex. an AR-15 or handgun classified as Non-Restricted), No phone number listed or phone number with an area code that is not local to that area, or a phone number that is text only or goes to an automated system(Please note that we have blocked scammers that had ads in several different provinces, and each ad had the correct area code in the phone number. Lesson here is that the correct area code does not guarantee that this seller actually lives in the area that they claim to. There are apps out there that scammers use to create new phone numbers at will with the proper area code and forward the calls to their phone.). Ads that have unusually low pricing should also alert you to proceed with caution. If the 'view map' location indicated by the postal code that they list does not line up with their supposed location. Images that appear to be swiped from an online source instead of uploaded photos. You can actually do an image search on Google to see if the image was swiped from other websites(Sometimes images that have been swiped still do not show up when searched with Google Images).
- If the seller refuses to speak on the phone. Or if they refuse to meet in person to let you inspect the item before you buy. Even if you don't live around the person you are looking to buy from, you can offer to have a family member or friend, who lives in that area to come check it out before you buy. If they refuse that offer, they are 95% likely to be an overseas scammer pretending to be here in Canada.
- You should ask the seller to Skype, or some form of live video chat, in which they can show you that they do have the item that they are trying to sell. If Skype, FaceTime, or some form of live video chat is not an option for whatever reason. Have them send you a quick 5-10 second video of the item that you're looking to purchase, and with that item they need to have a piece of paper with yours and their email address written on that paper, with the item up for sale. If they can put all of those things in the same short video, that will verify that they shot that short clip specific to your request, and that the clip was not swiped from someone else who does actually have the item that you are looking to buy. This just verifies that they do actually have what they are trying to sell you. NOTE: NEVER accept photos with notes as described with the item as verification. Scammers have been using Photoshop to crop in notes into the photos with the items. That's why we recommend video clips rather than photos. I have never seen a scammer pass this short video verification test before.
Also note that we have caught scammers using categories other than firearms. We have seen scams for optics and knives as well.
3. To protect your own PAL info
To protect your own PAL. It is best practice to only give the seller the information on your PAL, rather than a photo of your PAL card. The seller can call the CFP to verify your PAL without seeing an actual photo of your PAL. The information that is needed from the PAL is; Name as appears on the card, PAL number, and expiry date.
In fact, for restricted firearm sales, the seller does not even need to check your PAL himself at all, the CFP will do that anyway. The seller will just call the CFP and ask to initiate a transfer, then the CFP gives him a reference #. The seller then gives that reference # to the buyer to call in to the CFP with, then the CFP verifies the seller's RPAL on their end.
So for restricted transfer, you can tell the seller that the CFP will verify your RPAL info if he asks.
4. Report a member
If you find a member who you suspect to be a scammer. PLEASE... Contact us to report it so that we can remove that member from the site. When you do this, hit the 'Report Ad' button on the ad, or please include the following in your email;
- Copy and paste the link for that ad into the email. (If you hit the 'Report Ad' button on that ad, the link will automatically be included in the text for you.)
- Please give us a description of why you think that member is a scammer
- If you have had dialog with that member through email, please forward us those emails or screenshots, so that we can see for ourselves what the seller has said that would give evidence that they are a scammer. (That way we can eliminate hearsay if we see what the seller said for ourselves. Thus we can avoid the risk of blocking an account unnecessarily.)
5. Sellers getting spam replies (asking to send you a cheque)
This is the very reason that we have changed the site so that only those who are signed into their account can send messages to sellers. This way we can now block a spammer's account and stop them from sending more emails.
We have one person that tends to show up every few months or so with a new email since we block his account each time he starts spamming every ad on the site. He's easy to spot, his emails are virtually the same every time.
If you get an email from an individual asking for you mailing address so that he can send a cheque to you, please report it to us immediately so that we can block his account from the site. You can report it to us by forwarding us the email that you receive to firstname.lastname@example.org. Forwarding us the email that comes from the site in response to your ad is the easiest way to report it since the email from the site will have his profile in it as a clickable link so that we can easily find his profile and block him.
What he is trying to do is send a fake cheque to the seller as payment for the item that is for sale. He will always send the cheque for far too much money than the agreed upon price. The he will claim it to have been a mistake on his part, and ask for the difference back. These counterfeit cheques are always very well done, and bank tellers will often not be able to tell the difference until the bank catches it a week or so after they have cleared your cheque, and then the bank will take the funds back from you.
Clearly, it's very rare that anyone would try to pay by mailing a cheque anymore. If you do get a cheque for too much money, you can be absolutely sure that it is a scam. Do not send the individual your firearm or the difference.
I think it's unlikely that anyone would fall for this. But it is annoying to the seller's on this site to have their time wasted by this person emailing them about their ads for sale. So please do report this to us immediately if you receive an email from a new account of his.
6. For when you have a Wanted Ad posted
Lately we have have seen a rise in scammers targeting Wanted Ads. Mainly because they have the opportunity to try to scam buyers without posting an ad on GunPost and having to undergo our screening process.
The same safety tips noted in the above sections apply for you screening a seller when one replies to your wanted ad. But below are some tips we want to emphasize specifically for screening replies to your wanted ad, in priority of highest to lowest.
1. Very first thing you should be asking yourself, or looking into, is if this person contacting you has this same item he is trying to sell you posted on the GunPost site yet.
If you find that the same ad is listed on GunPost already, can you confirm that the person contacting you is the same person who posted that ad?
If he contacted you by email through our site's email system, all you have to do is click the profile name of the person who messaged you, underneath the GunPost header, and that will take you to their profile where you can then click to view their listings.
If they have texted your cell phone, they can easily lie to you and give you the link to another listing on GunPost saying that it is their listing. But this is easy to cross check. Just reply to the listing and ask the person if this is the same person who is texting you about your wanted ad. If the answer comes back as "no", then you know that the person texting you about your wanted ad is a scammer.
2. The next thing that you should be doing is a 'Google image search' on any of the photos that this person sends you. As these these scammers are needing to find photos from somewhere to send you. So far, almost every wanted ad scam attempt the photos could be easily found by doing a Google image search. Therefore, they are a scammer using stolen images from the internet.
3. If the person is texting you, call the phone number! All of the cases so far the scammer was using a Text-Now app. Meaning that none of the phone numbers he uses are real. It is just an app that gives you the ability to text from different phone numbers that are generated by the app. They cannot take calls.
That said, I do know that there are also other phone number apps that will allow the person to take calls, but usually is an internet connection, not an actual phone call. So the person sounds distant and it can be fairly obvious that it does not sound like a regular phone call based on the quality and type of sound.
4. If the above factors check out, just simply follow the other online safety tips provided in the above sections of this article. Such as, check the profile for reviews from other members. If no reviews, meet in person if local. If not local, request COD shipping and/or ask for the verification video as we describe in section #2(For Online Deals).
7. Watch for fake e-transfers to hack your emails and accounts
The way it has worked is that the fake buyer sends an email that looks like an E-transfer. But when you click the link to deposit into your bank account, it takes you to another site to make you think you are logging in to deposit the funds. We had one member who did not even enter any info or passwords. Just clicked the link in the email, then clicked to select his bank to deposit into, then got out of it once it started asking for login info. The next day, scammers were sending emails and receiving emails from his email. It took the better part of a day to change passwords, and it was not easy to lock them out for this person.
But if you click the link in a e-transfer email, and land on a login page that is not the same webpage that you always use to login to your bank account, do NOT attempt to login. But inform us right away of the account username you were dealing with, as well as whatever email address they were using.
Better yet, you should set up "auto-deposit" with your online bank account. This way when someone sends you an e-transfer, it goes directly into your account. You are not required to click any links from an email. Having auto-deposit set up will also tip you off to a fake e-transfer when you receive a supposed e-transfer to accept, now that you know it should have been deposited automatically.
We will also take this opportunity to AGAIN mention, do NOT send photos of your PAL to anyone. Only send the info on the PAL and let the other person have to call the CFP to verify that you have a legitimate PAL.